check this out
Posted by Joe on March 19, 2003 at 11:04:41: Previous Next
In Reply to: can you get long hair to stand up spikey posted by Mr Spoon on March 19, 2003 at 01:00:41:
the guy in the picture spiked his hair up with gel and a blowdryer. looks pretty cool!
Re: hair pic
Posted by Hair Religion on March 19, 2003 at 13:49:46: Previous NextIn Reply to: check this out posted by Joe on March 19, 2003 at 11:04:41:
Looks pretty damaged.
Re: hair pic
Posted by Joe on March 19, 2003 at 14:15:25: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: hair pic posted by Hair Religion on March 19, 2003 at 13:49:46:
: Looks pretty damaged.
This guy (Amir Derakh) has nicer hair than 90% percent of guys I've seen. Here's a pic with out it being all spikey. If that's "damaged", I'll take damaged hair any day!
Re: hair pics
Posted by Hair Religion on March 19, 2003 at 17:02:40: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: hair pic posted by Joe on March 19, 2003 at 14:15:25:
You can tell that it is over bleached which speaks for itself about the damage. It's hard to see his ends but in the spikey pic they don't look very good. In show biz one sees this a lot. Hair is just trashed in order to create a certain look. Sure you like it, it's eye catching...but that doesn't make it even remotely healthy. If you don't take care of your hair it won't last too long and certainly won't get very long.
Keep in mind I'm commenting on the health of his hair and not your personal preferences in hair.
Here we try to encourage people to grow healthy hair so it gets long. Doing what this guy does to his hair is not good for anyone's long term hairgrowth.
Re: hair pics
Posted by Joe on March 19, 2003 at 17:37:25: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: hair pics posted by Hair Religion on March 19, 2003 at 17:02:40:
This guy has been in the music biz since the early 80's, bleached hair and all. He's over 40 years old, and after all this time his hair still looks good and is past his shoulders. Like I said, I know alot of guys that are paranoid about damaging their hair, never blow dry it, never dye it, etc, and still their hair looks like crap. Sure bleaching, straightening, etc is hard on your hair, but it just goes to show that you CAN do these things and still have very nice long hair as long as it's properly cared for.
Re: hair pics
Posted by Shaun on March 19, 2003 at 17:59:47: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: hair pics posted by Joe on March 19, 2003 at 17:37:25:
: This guy has been in the music biz since the early 80's, bleached hair and all. He's over 40 years old, and after all this time his hair still looks good and is past his shoulders. Like I said, I know alot of guys that are paranoid about damaging their hair, never blow dry it, never dye it, etc, and still their hair looks like crap. Sure bleaching, straightening, etc is hard on your hair, but it just goes to show that you CAN do these things and still have very nice long hair as long as it's properly cared for.
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Just look at most women, they do all kinds of things to change the colour of their hair or style their hair (eg. dryer, straightening iron), and the threat of damage doesn't seem to stop them.As for me I thought that my hair was messed up for good when I foolishly bleached my hair a lighter shade of blonde. The first time I washed it, it was like one big dry tangle. But now it is soft again and aside from the problem of colour and having to live with roots starting up soon (which I will not be touching up) the texture is almost back to normal.
Re: hair pics
Posted by SixStringThing on March 19, 2003 at 21:56:47: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: hair pics posted by Shaun on March 19, 2003 at 17:59:47:
I strongly agree with these last two replies and it's really all genetics. If I could have great looking damaged hair or really bad looking healthy hair, i'd definately pick the damaged hair. Girls, I know some who have had pretty long hair all their lives, they use tons of irons and such and their hair may be damaged but it looks great and it grows no problem. Take me for example, I've been one of the paranoid longhairs that only uses natural products, hair ties w/no metal, detangle carefully and all that junk... my hair is HORRIBLE, I know other guys why dye their hair constantly and don't even know what conditioner is and they have really smooth hair... it's all genetics.
Re: women and their hair
Posted by Hair Religion on March 19, 2003 at 23:05:26: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: hair pics posted by Shaun on March 19, 2003 at 17:59:47:
Lots of women do abuse their hair like this. No it doesn't stop them because their hair keeps growing. As long as your body keeps making hair it will keep replacing the really damaged hair, but the more damage to your ends the less amount of time they will exist.
It's good that you figured out how damaging bleaching your hair can be and stopped doing it. Lots of women either haven't figured it out or don't care, the end visual effect is all that matters.
The most comments I get are from women saying how jealous, etc. they are of my hair and how their's won't grow past a certain point. But when I look at their hair I have to keep from laughing because it's always bleached, permed out, burned, teased, full of crap like hair spray and has uneven "rotting" ends...basically fried.
It doesn't stop them...but then again it does...if their goal is to grow long healthy hair. They just have to learn how to do it correctly (being a woman doesn't automatically give you that knowledge). Show biz folks don't really have healthy hair as one of their goals, they are out for the visual effect because that gets them attention and makes money.
Re: women and their hair
Posted by Shaun on March 20, 2003 at 04:26:13: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: women and their hair posted by Hair Religion on March 19, 2003 at 23:05:26:
Hi, your points are well-taken, especially about the celebrities.
As you have pointed out, what we are willing to do to our hair is related to our hair goals. I don't plan to grow it much longer than it takes to tie back and I doubt that Joe or SixStrings are planning to set hair length records, therefore our difference in attitude.
: Lots of women do abuse their hair like this. No it doesn't stop them because their hair keeps growing. As long as your body keeps making hair it will keep replacing the really damaged hair, but the more damage to your ends the less amount of time they will exist.
: It's good that you figured out how damaging bleaching your hair can be and stopped doing it. Lots of women either haven't figured it out or don't care, the end visual effect is all that matters.
: The most comments I get are from women saying how jealous, etc. they are of my hair and how their's won't grow past a certain point. But when I look at their hair I have to keep from laughing because it's always bleached, permed out, burned, teased, full of crap like hair spray and has uneven "rotting" ends...basically fried.
: It doesn't stop them...but then again it does...if their goal is to grow long healthy hair. They just have to learn how to do it correctly (being a woman doesn't automatically give you that knowledge). Show biz folks don't really have healthy hair as one of their goals, they are out for the visual effect because that gets them attention and makes money.
Re: back to short
Posted by Hair Religion on March 20, 2003 at 13:28:43: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: women and their hair posted by Shaun on March 20, 2003 at 04:26:13:
Well, SixStrings has told us he is chopping it all off this week and I understand that he has very difficult hair so he does have a different view.
But there is nothing wrong with having healthy short hair either.
Re: hair pics
Posted by Sherri on March 20, 2003 at 07:35:52: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: hair pics posted by Shaun on March 19, 2003 at 17:59:47:
Yes, it is a curse of being a woman. Dyed, fried, overprocessed hair is the norm. This is what makes the hair stylists, as I say, "scissor happy." Split ends, split ends, split ends.
I have bleached (use a hair color remover), permed, curled, blow dried my hair. My hair is fine and fuzzy because of it. Have to condition, condition, condition. The hair care market loves women because of this. They're making a fortune off of us; selling us products to ruin our hair, then being paid to cut it and/or put a band-aid on the damage caused by the products.
Before I went into the Navy years ago, my hair was so dry and brittle it literally felt like straw and I had to have it cut up to my head. And then have it cut again 3 months later to the same length to remove the rest. It was so dry it was "crunchy" to the touch. It looked good and felt horrible.
When my mom permed my hair a few years ago she said I had split ends all the way to my scalp because of the bleaching.
The bottom of my hair doesn't look healthy at all. It is getting better now that I've stopped bleaching and blow drying, but it will never be healthy.
The new hair that isn't bleached looks great. It won't need as much conditioning as the bleached portion and will require much less care. It won't cost an arm and a leg to make it look healthy, because it will naturally be healthy.
You can put a pic of a woman with bleached overprocessed hair next to a woman who hasn't used any products on her hair and lets it grow. You will be able to see the difference in the quality and texture of the hair.
Women discuss it and it is always said "Oh, you have such nice hair. I wish I had hair like yours, but my hair is just so fine and unmanageable." No, all the products, dying, blow drying, curling, make your hair that way. Most people just don't have the patience to grow the damaged hair out.
That's why it's taken me 8 years to stop bleaching my hair. It looks bad when the natural hair color starts coming in. I'm "2 tone" right now, and will be for years, but I'm just dealing with it. For years I caved in and dyed the roots because it looks bad with 2 different hair colors. I was stuck damaging my hair more because of the damage I caused from bleaching it. I was trapped by my own stupidity.
Re: abused hair
Posted by Hair Religion on March 19, 2003 at 22:45:39: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: hair pics posted by Joe on March 19, 2003 at 17:37:25:
Well, that is what photo sessions and stylists are for...to make your hair look neat even if it's a mess. I'm not sure what being in the music biz since the 80's has to do with anything since your hair keeps growing. You can maintain a wrecked head of hair as long as you want, maybe that's why his hair hasn't gotten much past his shoulders.
Bleaching your hair is not proper care. You may want to do it, you may like the visual results, you may do it for years as your hair keeps growing (many women do) but it is nothing but harsh on your hair. From my experience with hair I see his hair as not being in very good shape. You may see flat and seemingly orderly hair but just get up close to hair like that and it's a different story.
Lots of guys in the 80's used to dye their hair black all the time as well as spraying it and teasing, etc. It looked impressive from a distance or in pics but get up close and it looked like a head of straw.
The next time you are in a strip club take a close look at the dancers, they abuse their hair daily and it really shows once you learn to recognize what damaged hair is.
Re: abused hair
Posted by Joe on March 19, 2003 at 23:27:56: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: abused hair posted by Hair Religion on March 19, 2003 at 22:45:39:
IMO, healthy hair is simply hair that is managable, smooth, soft, and looks good. No, a "head of straw" is not healthy hair, but it's a mistake to think that dyed hair always no matter what will result in a head of straw. I won't bother posting any more pictures, but I can show you pictures of this guy from his daily life (ie not photo shoots) where his hair still looks great. I can think of numerous celebrities that dye their hair and look very good. Did you know Madonna is a brunette? She's been bleaching her hair since the 80's, is now in her 40's, and still has a great long head of hair. Jennifer Anniston, Britney Spears, Shakira, all bleach/dye their hair and have great long hair (Shakira particularly has extremely long hair). I personally know many women and several men who dye their hair (I don't personally) and have very healthy hair. What "proper care" consists of is subjective, to most people it would mean washing every day and getting regular haircuts, but how many here do that? In the end I guess this is all subjective, but the frame of mind that "everyone in the world has to do like me or they're wrong" is not a good way to think.
They know at the end of the day
Posted by Sherri on March 20, 2003 at 07:45:24: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: abused hair posted by Joe on March 19, 2003 at 23:27:56:
and at the beginning of the day how badly damaged their hair is.
Bleached, processed hair doesn't "flow" the way natural hair does. It requires much more care than natural hair to get it to look almost healthy.
Bleached and permed hair knots easily because of the damage, clumps together, doesn't move the way natural unprocessed hair does.
The hair in this pic looks good, right? It's horribly frizzy, knots constantly, and the fall-out...UGH! I hated combing my hair because it was like a dog or cat shedding it's winter coat. I combed my hair every morning and thought "one day I'm going to be bald." The hair is VERY thin, although it doesn't look that way in the pic. The damage causes a frizziness that covers the thinness. To "pet it" feels soft, but don't try to run your fingers through it!!! Knots. Even right after combing it.
My hair fall-out is now maybe 5 hairs a day, and the new "baby hair" is everywhere. My hair is coming in twice as thick now that I've stopped bleaching, blow drying, processing my hair.
Re: abused hair
Posted by Hair Religion on March 20, 2003 at 13:02:00: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: abused hair posted by Joe on March 19, 2003 at 23:27:56:
>>but it's a mistake to think that dyed hair always no matter what will result in a head of straw.
Well, I'm glad I didn't make that mistake.
>>What "proper care" consists of is subjective, to most people it would mean washing every day and getting regular haircuts, but how many here do that? In the end I guess this is all subjective, but the frame of mind that "everyone in the world has to do like me or they're wrong" is not a good way to think.
I don't think that proper hair care is subjective at all but rather what people are willing to subject themselves to. I've heard bleach blonds with messed up (though visually striking) hair say that if if having healthy hair meant having to go back to their natural color and no more teasing then they weren't intrested (sort of like what you said). That's fine, they can maintain that look. But when they say they are jealous and wish for my hair then I see a real contradiction. I can provide the info but naturally it's up to you to do with it what you will.
Of course the "you have to think like me" mindset is lame but don't think for a second that this is my position. My take on damaged hair (not the visual appeal) is shared by the community of hair care professionals (common knowledge) and isn't about whether or not you like to damage your hair and in fact prefer that for yourself. Obiviously you prefer something different than me. I see my role on this board as providing support for those who are interested in growing their hair REALLY long and are willing to do what it takes to acomplish this. I know that everyone here isn't necessairly intrested in extreme hair growth but but some like me are (this being a long hair board).
Don't know if I've said it before...
Posted by Sherri on March 20, 2003 at 13:48:00: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: abused hair posted by Hair Religion on March 20, 2003 at 13:02:00:
I absolutely LOVE your hair!!!
YES!!
Posted by tommy turbo on March 19, 2003 at 12:04:47: Previous Next
In Reply to: can you get long hair to stand up spikey posted by Mr Spoon on March 19, 2003 at 01:00:41:
Yes you can. I knew somebody in highschool with a mowhawk that was about 12-15 inches high. He used elmers glue and eggs if I remeber what he said.
Also Does anybody remeber the music video for the RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS, song "My Friends", Anthony still had the long hair and it was standing strait up, I guessed the used some sort of frame for it though. It was kinda strange at first, but know it seems cool
Re: can you get long hair to stand up spikey
Posted by Brian on March 19, 2003 at 17:47:12: Previous Next
In Reply to: can you get long hair to stand up spikey posted by Mr Spoon on March 19, 2003 at 01:00:41:
:my hair slightly shorter than shoulder length...
Uhm.. no it isn't. I hate to sound like a prick, but you're coming off a tad pretentious there. You have MANY months to go before you're there, so next time, try not to be so anxious.. you still have relatively short hair.
- Brian