religion with men who have long hair?
Posted by Lee on June 24, 2003 at 08:38:43: Previous Next
I use to work at a place that didn't mind if you had long hair, but to cutting back in staff I don't work their anymore.
people told me i needed to cut my hair to get a job because noone would hire me,so i did.
Curtenly i work at place that you have to work someone where where they say my hair cant touch my shoulders...someone told me to tell them is it part of my religion to have long hair and they will leave you alone.
but what religion say men should have long hair i gotta show they something
Don't
Posted by Mark Ellott on June 24, 2003 at 09:33:46: Previous Next
In Reply to: religion with men who have long hair? posted by Lee on June 24, 2003 at 08:38:43:
It would be dishonest and that would play into their prejudice. Be yourself and be honest. Ask if there is a written policy on dress codes. If there is, challenge it.
Re: Don't
Posted by ColdFlu on June 24, 2003 at 09:51:09: Previous Next
In Reply to: Don't posted by Mark Ellott on June 24, 2003 at 09:33:46:
: It would be dishonest and that would play into their prejudice. Be yourself and be honest. Ask if there is a written policy on dress codes. If there is, challenge it.
I agree with Mark's suggestion. Challenge it with questioning the policy, if one does exist. Focus on the issue and do not argue with your emotions. Look to settle with compromises if needed for a win-win outcome.
Yes, it's more important ...
Posted by LucksKind on June 24, 2003 at 10:01:59: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Don't posted by ColdFlu on June 24, 2003 at 09:51:09:
for the employer to learn about the man's character...
than to judge him by the length of his hair...
Re: Don't
Posted by S on June 24, 2003 at 14:17:17: Previous Next
In Reply to: Don't posted by Mark Ellott on June 24, 2003 at 09:33:46:
Hi Mark - just been checking out your site (very informative and helpful).
I was just looking at your essay relating to long hair and discrimination and was wondering where you stand with your employer on the issue at the minute?
Are you still fighting or has it been settled? Do/ did you find your co-workers supportive or indifferent to the matter?
Settled
Posted by Mark Ellott on June 25, 2003 at 03:16:14: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Don't posted by S on June 24, 2003 at 14:17:17:
It got settled. When I started pointing out case law - and that they weren't compliant with any of the conditions (written policy, clearly communicated, evenly applied) they started to back off. When I pointed out that I would cheerfully invoke the company's bullying and harrassment policy should they push the matter, it stopped - dead. Generally, my colleages were appalled that it was an issue and were supportive.
The moral is do your homework ;-)
Re: Settled
Posted by S on June 25, 2003 at 05:23:32: Previous Next
In Reply to: Settled posted by Mark Ellott on June 25, 2003 at 03:16:14:
: The moral is do your homework
A great example for us all to bear in mind...and a happy ending as well!
Thanks for the post :)
Re: Settled
Posted by Mark Ellott on June 25, 2003 at 06:10:23: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Settled posted by S on June 25, 2003 at 05:23:32:
: : The moral is do your homework
: A great example for us all to bear in mind...and a happy ending as well!
: Thanks for the post :)
Sometimes it is encouraging to hear good news - it isn't all uphill. At a conference last week several people commented on my "exotic" hairstyle. They were being complimentary. I was wearing it tied back in a Hairglove as I'd travelled by motorcycle. Generally, I've found that in the UK people are supportive of those prepared to stand out from the crowd even if they haven't the gumption to do so themselves.
Re: Settled
Posted by ColdFlu on June 25, 2003 at 06:31:01: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Settled posted by Mark Ellott on June 25, 2003 at 06:10:23:
: I was wearing it tied back in a Hairglove as I'd travelled by motorcycle.
Mark,
What is a "hairglove"? Or better yet, what does it look like?
Hairglove
Posted by Mark Ellott on June 25, 2003 at 06:46:43: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Settled posted by ColdFlu on June 25, 2003 at 06:31:01:
Take a look here:
Re: Hairglove
Posted by ColdFlu on June 25, 2003 at 09:15:51: Previous Next
In Reply to: Hairglove posted by Mark Ellott on June 25, 2003 at 06:46:43:
: Take a look here:
Mark,
Thanks! It looks like it will be a while before I can wear one of them. They look "fashionable" How do you like them?
Re: Hairglove
Posted by Mark Ellott on June 25, 2003 at 09:35:00: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Hairglove posted by ColdFlu on June 25, 2003 at 09:15:51:
: : Take a look here:
: Mark,
: Thanks! It looks like it will be a while before I can wear one of them. They look "fashionable" How do you like them?
They take a bit of getting used to - putting them on is a bit fiddly, but for riding a bike, they're ideal.
great accessory
Posted by Resonance on June 25, 2003 at 16:56:13: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Hairglove posted by ColdFlu on June 25, 2003 at 09:15:51:
Thanks! It looks like it will be a while before I can wear one of them. They look "fashionable" How do you like them?
I got a couple of hairgloves a few months ago - they really are fantastic things. I use them mainly when I inline-skate since they hold the hair like nothing else during flips and spins.
Sometimes I'll wear one just because they do simply make a nice change!
Don't act like something you're not
Posted by Hair Religion on June 24, 2003 at 12:06:41: Previous Next
In Reply to: religion with men who have long hair? posted by Lee on June 24, 2003 at 08:38:43:
This one comes up a lot but nobody has said yet that they have tried using the argument that they belong to the "Hair Religion".
I am a ligitimate ordained minister of the Hair Religion and the religion states that you are a member if you are growing your hair long intentionally.
I think you are right
Posted by T ar i k h on June 24, 2003 at 12:16:41: Previous Next
In Reply to: religion with men who have long hair? posted by Lee on June 24, 2003 at 08:38:43:
Maybe it`s unfair that you are using religion to keep your hair, but it`s even more unfair to force someone to cut his hair because of a job.
Here`s to you and here`s to me.
Fool these tyrants and keep your hair.
Re: religion with men who have long hair?
Posted by elektros on June 26, 2003 at 00:00:47: Previous Next
In Reply to: religion with men who have long hair? posted by Lee on June 24, 2003 at 08:38:43:
: I use to work at a place that didn't mind if you had long hair, but to cutting back in staff I don't work their anymore.
: people told me i needed to cut my hair to get a job because noone would hire me,so i did.
: Curtenly i work at place that you have to work someone where where they say my hair cant touch my shoulders...someone told me to tell them is it part of my religion to have long hair and they will leave you alone.
: but what religion say men should have long hair i gotta show they something
The only one I can think of is the Sikh religion. Since they wear turbans, if you wore your hair in a turban it wouldn't touch your shoulders anyway! You have to grow your beard as well. Some Sikhs work in places that even beards aren't allowed, and get around this by wearing a sort of net over their beard (looks dead strange). The Sikhs come from the North-West frontier of India. I don't know how you would go about converting? Strictly speaking they are supposed to carry a knife at all times as part of their religion, but I'm not sure they all observe that. They are supposed to be teetotal as well, but I have known some who drink beer.