Newbie question
Posted by Aaron S. on February 19, 2003 at 23:09:10: Previous Next
Hey guys! Im growing my hair out and i was wondering what i can do to make my hair grow faster and stronger and healthier. So far i am drinking lots of stuff containing vitamins C&D. I take a centrum vitamin everyday. And i message my scalp like 5 minutes a day. I also use regular shampoo and then conditioner.
I know theres probably a thousand threads on this but i couldnt find anything else i could do besides what i am doing.
Thanks to everyone!
- Aaron S.
Re: Newbie question
Posted by Joe on February 19, 2003 at 23:24:16: Previous Next
In Reply to: Newbie question posted by Aaron S. on February 19, 2003 at 23:09:10:
the concensus is that there really is nothing you can do to make your hair grow faster. just try to take care of it as it grows, so it doesn't get messed up! and dont worry about how long it will take...just enjoy each step along the way!
What concensus?
Posted by Santiago on February 19, 2003 at 23:26:49: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Newbie question posted by Joe on February 19, 2003 at 23:24:16:
There is really no concensus on increasing growth rates, I can tell you my very valid and plausible opinion if you e-mail me. I'm tired of this debate. The opinions are divided and this board will never agree on a view for this topic.
Re: What concensus?
Posted by Rokker on February 20, 2003 at 10:36:26: Previous Next
In Reply to: What concensus? posted by Santiago on February 19, 2003 at 23:26:49:
: There is really no concensus on increasing growth rates, I can tell you my very valid and plausible opinion if you e-mail me. I'm tired of this debate. The opinions are divided and this board will never agree on a view for this topic.
The fact, the FACT is that your b.s. has been proven as just that, b.s.! It's been proven by scientific studies and the FDA itself.
I used to ask if you're stubborn or stupid. Now I know.
Re: What tolerance?
Posted by stinKfoot on February 20, 2003 at 11:50:21: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: What concensus? posted by Rokker on February 20, 2003 at 10:36:26:
: : There is really no concensus on increasing growth rates, I can tell you my very valid and plausible opinion if you e-mail me. I'm tired of this debate. The opinions are divided and this board will never agree on a view for this topic.
:
: The fact, the FACT is that your b.s. has been proven as just that, b.s.! It's been proven by scientific studies and the FDA itself.
: I used to ask if you're stubborn or stupid. Now I know.
so... is this another example of your tongue-in-cheek sarcasm? i fail to see how this differs from flame posting. it's possible that for someone with a deficiency, vitamins might make a small difference. in that case i might encourage them to find food sources of the nutritional shortage, but assailing them as stupid is so much more an efficient use of bandwidth.
Re: What tolerance?
Posted by Rokker on February 20, 2003 at 12:28:48: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: What tolerance? posted by stinKfoot on February 20, 2003 at 11:50:21:
Let's say someone makes a claim on a home improvement posting board that using rolls of duct tape as siding on your house will protect it from burning down, add to the value of the home, and make it better insulated to save energy. Let's say that many people going to the board don't really know, since they've been living in tee pees their entire lives.
Now...let's suppse the person making the duct tape claim is a new homeowner himself. So maybe he really thinks that since he spent $15,000 on duct tape and did his house that way, he thinks it looks good. So now he's telling everyone that spending $15,000 on duct tape is better than just routine maintenance.
Then there's a longtime homeowner who comes on to say "wait". The longtime homeowner knows from experience that duct tape, and spending a ton of money for thousands of rolls of it, is a bad idea. He can prove it's bad idea because evidence proves his point.
Who do you listen to?
And if the longtime homeowner shows you with conclusive evidence that buting $15,000 worth of suct tape is a waste of money, would you still buy the tape in hopes that maybe, just maybe it'll do everything the one person claimed?
Even with FDA tests, and repeated scientific studies proving beyond any doubt that the hair growing supplements never have worked, some people here still insist that they do. To not know and to be new and ask is one thing, but when you do know, and you've been shown all the evidence, and you know that science has proven it yet you still insist that you're right and scientific proof is wrong is...I'm sorry to sayt...flat out stupid!
It's like being shown the sky is blue and still insisting that it's pink with purple polkadots! You go from being stubborn to just being stupid. Nuff said!
Oh Boy...
Posted by Santiago on February 20, 2003 at 12:50:07: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: What tolerance? posted by Rokker on February 20, 2003 at 12:28:48:
Rokker, you've been a longhair for 25 years, or more... cool, with the age average here, and I being 20, its really obvious, you're older, have more experience with longhair and might know a thing or two more than most of us. However, you've managed to burry that wisdowm somewhere, because I don't see it at all. You speak like if you were the Dalai Lama of longhair and seriously, there is a bunch of young guys like myself, that double your visible intelligence.
You said one time that you've never tried them before, so its like if I talked about safari trips to Africa. I can give my opinion, but I don't have the experience. You and your FDA reports would be quite amusing if you weren't such a moron. What those reports say are far away from what you babble. Get a life or start your own board:
"Longhairs who don't believe in supplements"
or
"Longhairs who stick their hair up their %$%"
FDA Report Again!
Posted by Rokker on February 20, 2003 at 13:03:36: Previous Next
In Reply to: Oh Boy... posted by Santiago on February 20, 2003 at 12:50:07:
: You speak like if you were the Dalai Lama of longhair and seriously, there is a bunch of young guys like myself, that double your visible intelligence.
Obviously not. You consistently say things that defy common sense. You continue to make claims that are mind-boggling and way off base.
: You said one time that you've never tried them before, so its like if I talked about safari trips to Africa. I can give my opinion, but I don't have the experience. You and your FDA reports would be quite amusing if you weren't such a moron. What those reports say are far away from what you babble. Get a life or start your own board:
Some people can look at scientific studies and understand clearly what the results are. In fact, I'd say most people can. We know, for example, that the FDA and drug companies have tested drugs designed to control acid reflux. Let's say they tested Drug X and compared it to Lifesavers candy. Now let's say that when the study ended they found that the people taking Drug X and the people taking Lifesavers thinking it was a real drug both showed no improvement in their acid reflux. That tells us that Drug X is not effective.
Pretty simple, right?
Now, once again, here's the exact text of the FDA report. Now, read it again and tell me just what it was you missed the first time you read it. Then tell me they say anything that contradicts anything I've said.
Here's the text....
With longer hair desired by many women (and even some men), many new "wonder pills" are being offered up these days with the claim of an ability to stimulate hair growth. Publicity about the prescription drug minoxodil and its link to hair growth has laid just enough ground work for many quacks to capitalize on. There remains no product available that will grow new hair or make existing hair grow faster or make it thicker, despite quack ads to the contrary.
The FDA has extensively tested products claiming to grow existing hair at a faster rate, grow new hair, or prevent baldness. It has taken action against companies that continue to sell such products for claiming they could promote hair growth and prevent hair loss. The FDA conducted an experiment recently using four control groups. The four groups used PowerPlus, UltraNourishhair, Nourishhair, and a group using a placebo. The six month experiment produced the following results: Growth of hair was identical in all four groups.
Advertisements for "hair farming" products and others that hint they can regrow hair are still plentiful. But if you're desperate, keep one thing in mind - there will be never be a secret ingredient that works for hair loss, faster hair growth, or better hair. Should this amazing discovery be made, it will be on the cover of Time, Newsweek, and the New York Times. It will be on the nightly news. When this happens, you're not going to need an advertisement or even the FDA to tell you the name of the drug.
Claims of faster hair growth, thicker hair, and growing new hair all fall into the category of quackery. The FDA suggests using the following means to recognize quackery in regards to hair care:
Be wary if immediate, effortless or guaranteed results are promised.
Look for telltale words and phrases such as "breakthrough," "miracle," "secret remedy," "exclusive," and "clinical studies prove that..."
Don't forget that, unlike scientists and health professionals, quacks do not subject their products to the scrutiny of scientific research. The quack simply thrusts a product onto the market in order to get your money.
If it sounds too good to be true - it probably is.
If you have questions about a product or company, get answers before you make a purchase. For information, contact the Better Business Bureau, the nearest Food and Drug Administration office, your local consumer office or state attorney general's office, or your doctor.
End of FDA text.
Friggin' report
Posted by Santiago on February 20, 2003 at 16:31:58: Previous Next
In Reply to: FDA Report Again! posted by Rokker on February 20, 2003 at 13:03:36:
If you read the report on a biased view, you'll become like Rokker. Stupid, shortsighted and dorky.
He just doesn't get the point. The report analizes 3 supplements. It doesn't analize Formula 37 or Skin, Hair and Nails. The report prevents consumers from believing that a supplement can make their hair thicker..well it can't. That they can grow 2 inches a month.. obviously they can't.
What the report doesn't say is that people have bad habit when it comes to eating. It also skips the few hours most of us sleep these days.
Certainly if you have a perfect organism with no dietary deficiencies, and you sleep 8 hours, you don't smoke, drink, or otyher harmful things, you also live in a farm with natural products, no harmful pesticides to harm your food, and besides all that you get enough protein, then DON'T BUY THE SUPPLEMENTS. Otherwise you might have something in your body to improve, hence improving your growth rate.
Huh?
Posted by Rokker on February 20, 2003 at 16:49:08: Previous Next
In Reply to: Friggin' report posted by Santiago on February 20, 2003 at 16:31:58:
What the he// are you reading, dude? Obviously NOT the FDA report!
: If you read the report on a biased view, you'll become like Rokker. Stupid, shortsighted and dorky.
Where's the bias? I simplyu have stated EXACTLY what it said.
: He just doesn't get the point. The report analizes 3 supplements. It doesn't analize Formula 37 or Skin, Hair and Nails. The report prevents consumers from believing that a supplement can make their hair thicker..well it can't. That they can grow 2 inches a month.. obviously they can't.
It didn't do those on that particular test, but it likely had been tested previously. The report CLEARLY states that NOTHING makes hair grow faster.
The report EDUCATES people about hair growth supplements. It mentions NOTHING about hair growth rates at two inches, one inch, or anything other rate for that matter. It's very basic, and mentions only that all four groups experienced the same hair growth whether they used any of three supplements or no supplement at all. It also states very clearly that if anything is invented for growing hair faster, we'll hear about it all over the place and not from some testimonial from some guy on a message board!
May I add it also encourages people to get answers from the FDA itself or even a doctor. And believe me, a doctor will back what the FDA findings have shown.
: What the report doesn't say is that people have bad habit when it comes to eating. It also skips the few hours most of us sleep these days.
They had FOUR control groups. When an experiment is conducted like this, they closely monitor everyone in every group. They monitor everything from eating habits to sleep patterns to stress levels. They didn't need to mention your trivial b.s. What the report clearly states is that no product has ever helped, and none of the products in that test did either.
: Certainly if you have a perfect organism with no dietary deficiencies, and you sleep 8 hours, you don't smoke, drink, or otyher harmful things, you also live in a farm with natural products, no harmful pesticides to harm your food, and besides all that you get enough protein, then DON'T BUY THE SUPPLEMENTS. Otherwise you might have something in your body to improve, hence improving your growth rate.
That's not what the FDA says. That's not what ANY scientific study has ever said. All four groups had the same growth rate. All four. And while it didn't mention how many were in each group, I'd bet it was probably 25-50 in EACH. What you're trying to say is that the three groups taking supplements all had bad sleep habits, poor diets, got no protein and ingested harmful pesticides while everyone in the placebo group ate perfectly, had perfect sleep habits, never ingested any pesticides, had a wealth of protein, etc...explaining the fact that the group talking nothing grew hair at the same rate as the group taking Nourishhair who grew the exact same as the group taking ULTRA Nourishhair who grew the same as the group on ProPlus. Can't you how stupid you look by saying that?
What is it with you, man? Sheesh!
You %$% again
Posted by Santiago on February 21, 2003 at 17:26:47: Previous Next
In Reply to: FDA Report Again! posted by Rokker on February 20, 2003 at 13:03:36:
Please tell me you did drugs, that way I'll know I won't be like you when I turn 40. Anyway, even if I did do drugs, it would be very hard to turn into you.
The FDA report is something very wise. You're just plainly stupid. Sadam would undertand any subject better than you. He'd het rid of his weapons by free will before you understand the spirit of that report. You behave like a religious fundamentalist.
Hair growth is genetic and can't be altered thickened or else. Right. But for God's sake. The KEY word here is DEFICIENCY. The ame thing you have in your head. Some of us have it in our diets. And that is the answer. With bad nutrition you get bad growth rate. Vitamins gurantee the required intake for everyday- Don't start with the, "I eat well, I no need to take no supplements, beavis"
Most people find that hard in today's world. Spending $15 dollars a month on supplements, can make the awkward stage and the growth process shorter. And give you better scalp oil and hair condition.
Now, I don't know who will gwt tired first. Not me, probably, not you. So for the sake of the people on the board just STOP
Re: stuck in a rut or what?
Posted by Hair Religion on February 27, 2003 at 05:13:17: Previous Next
In Reply to: You %$% again posted by Santiago on February 21, 2003 at 17:26:47:
It's funny that you accuse Rokker of behaving like a religious fundamentalist seeing that religious fundamentalists, as an accepted practice, refuse to hear any sort of proof, facts, logic or reason that is contrary to their unsubstantiated beliefs system. Very much like you do by relying on hearsay despite the tested facts that state otherwise...seemingly just because you really want to believe it.
Re: Oh Boy...
Posted by Exatron on February 20, 2003 at 14:36:11: Previous Next
In Reply to: Oh Boy... posted by Santiago on February 20, 2003 at 12:50:07:
: Rokker, you've been a longhair for 25 years, or more... cool, with the age average here, and I being 20, its really obvious, you're older, have more experience with longhair and might know a thing or two more than most of us. However, you've managed to burry that wisdowm somewhere, because I don't see it at all. You speak like if you were the Dalai Lama of longhair and seriously, there is a bunch of young guys like myself, that double your visible intelligence.
He doesn't have to be the "Dali Lama" of long hair to know that these suppliments are worthless.
: You said one time that you've never tried them before, so its like if I talked about safari trips to Africa.
No, it isn't like that at all. The results of using hair growth suppliments are easily quantifiable. Personal experience isn't needed to demonstrate that the suppliments don't work- it may even be detrimental to the experiment.
The study was about as simple as any scientific experiment can get. They get two groups of people, measure how fast their hair grows, give one group the suppliment, give the other a placebo, and then measure how fast both groups' hair grew after a few months. You would end up with two sets of measurements, which can only yield four results when compared: something rendered the data worthless, people using the suppliments showed reduced hair growth when compared to people using the placebo, there is no significant difference between the two groups' hair growth, or the group taking the suppliment showed signs of increased hair growth. Of those results, only one would prove that these suppliments work- the FDA study did not yield that outcome nor was its data compromised.
: I can give my opinion, but I don't have the experience.
It's a good thing that this has little to do with opinions. You're trying to claim that the Chrysler building is taller than the Empire State building here.
: You and your FDA reports would be quite amusing if you weren't such a moron. What those reports say are far away from what you babble.
The reports are saying exactly what he is "babbling."
: Get a life or start your own board:
: "Longhairs who don't believe in supplements"
It isn't a matter of beleif, kid. Studies from reliable sources indisputably demonstrated that hair supplements are a joke.
Rokker, A.K.A. posting not allowed
Posted by Santiago on February 20, 2003 at 15:47:33: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Oh Boy... posted by Exatron on February 20, 2003 at 14:36:11:
ok?
Re: What tolerance?
Posted by Joe on February 20, 2003 at 15:09:09: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: What tolerance? posted by Rokker on February 20, 2003 at 12:28:48:
While I am personally of the opinion that supplements are going to make little or no difference in the growth rate of your hair, isn't there a nicer way to say it? There's no need to be condescending or rude to people, even if you have differing opinions.
Re: Newbie question
Posted by Rokker on February 20, 2003 at 10:39:31: Previous Next
In Reply to: Newbie question posted by Aaron S. on February 19, 2003 at 23:09:10:
You're doing everything you should for a healthy bosy and a healthy head of hair.
Be patient. You're doing everything right. And don't listen to the people who will tell you to buy expensive supplements. I already posted a report from the FDA that agreed with every other study on hair growth...that no supplement out there can make your hair grow faster.
I've had long hair for 25 years. Those disagreeing with me and the scientific community are newbies themselves. I know literally everything about taking care of hair.
Re: Newbie question
Posted by Resonance on February 20, 2003 at 17:43:04: Previous Next
In Reply to: Newbie question posted by Aaron S. on February 19, 2003 at 23:09:10:
: Hey guys! Im growing my hair out and i was wondering what i can do to make my hair grow faster and stronger and healthier.
Hey - I'm sure you've already got lots of food for thought after viewing the replies to your topic. Here's what I'm going to say.
Be patient, you're on the road now and just enjoy the subtle changes that hit you each month. We've all dabbled with the idea of speeding up growth at some point, but focus on the process and not the end.
Have a varied diet that'll naturally give you all the nutrients you need - it's cheaper than all these supplements and keeps things simple.
People will disagree, but I don't believe in overwashing hair. You're not turning to the dark side if your hair gets a little 'ergh' every once in a while - it nourishes your hair and keeps it healthy.
Finally, keep that positive attitude you have there, drop by with some progress pics sometime, and good luck!
Example to us all
Posted by Santiago on February 20, 2003 at 19:46:14: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Newbie question posted by Resonance on February 20, 2003 at 17:43:04:
Great guy resonance,
And for all of us aguers (myself incuded). This is the kind of posts we should have all the time.
Open up your ears Rokker. This guy has a great way to make his opinions heard.
Re: Example to us all
Posted by Brian D. Cain on February 23, 2003 at 00:35:10: Previous Next
In Reply to: Example to us all posted by Santiago on February 20, 2003 at 19:46:14:
: Great guy resonance,
: And for all of us aguers (myself incuded). This is the kind of posts we should have all the time.
: Open up your ears Rokker. This guy has a great way to make his opinions heard.
Agreed.
B
Re: Newbie question
Posted by Brian D. Cain on February 20, 2003 at 21:30:53: Previous Next
In Reply to: Newbie question posted by Aaron S. on February 19, 2003 at 23:09:10:
: Hey guys! Im growing my hair out and i was wondering what i can do to make my hair grow faster and stronger and healthier. So far i am drinking lots of stuff containing vitamins C&D. I take a centrum vitamin everyday. And i message my scalp like 5 minutes a day. I also use regular shampoo and then conditioner.
: I know theres probably a thousand threads on this but i couldnt find anything else i could do besides what i am doing.
: Thanks to everyone!
: - Aaron S.
You can take biotin supplements (atleast 2000mcg a day) but quite honestly there's no such thing as a quick-growing magic pill. They just don't exist. The best way to tackle it is to stick to the basics -- get plenty of sleep, take a biotin supplement as well as a daily multi-vitamin, and don't eat a bunch of junk all the time (have a healthy diet). The best condition my hair was in was when I was on a high soy protein diet alongside the other stuff. My hair, skin, and nails were in very good shape.
Figure on your hair growing about half an inch (just under a millimeter a day) a month, or 6 to 7 inches per year.
Best regards,
B
Re: Newbie question
Posted by Jessa on February 20, 2003 at 21:31:08: Previous Next
In Reply to: Newbie question posted by Aaron S. on February 19, 2003 at 23:09:10:
: Hey guys! Im growing my hair out and i was wondering what i can do to make my hair grow faster and stronger and healthier. So far i am drinking lots of stuff containing vitamins C&D. I take a centrum vitamin everyday. And i message my scalp like 5 minutes a day. I also use regular shampoo and then conditioner.
: I know theres probably a thousand threads on this but i couldnt find anything else i could do besides what i am doing.
: Thanks to everyone!
: - Aaron S.
(female point of view)
There are many myths about ways to dramatically increase growth rate, however, the only proven methods are patience and a healthy diet.
A myth that I find particularly amusing is the one pertaining to trimming your hair regularly. Hair grows from the roots, not from the tips... if you trim at the same rate as your growth rate, you will NEVER achieve your goal. Trimming only serves to prevent split-ends and breakage, which could result in loss of length... but using a proper shampoo and conditioner for your hair-type, not brushing your hair when it's damp, and refraining from using improper hair ties (such as rubber bands) can minimize damage/breakage. Permanent coloring, straightening, or perming products and/or regular heat-styling can also cause damage. Truth is, there is no miracle solution.
Re: Newbie question
Posted by Aaron S. on February 20, 2003 at 21:31:18: Previous Next
In Reply to: Newbie question posted by Aaron S. on February 19, 2003 at 23:09:10:
Ummm i would appreciate it if you guys wouldnt flame me. This is like my first week at this message board and i dont know much thats why im asking. And for all the people who say im a dumba$$ for buying that hair growth stuff, i am not taking it! I am taking regular vitamins that everyone is supposed to take everyday like the flintstone ones. So please dont take a dump on my thread by telling me im an a-hole and stuff. I am new so i dont know much, thats why i asked the question. >:(
Don't take it personally...
Posted by Gollan on February 20, 2003 at 23:50:21: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Newbie question posted by Aaron S. on February 20, 2003 at 21:31:18:
Maybe I missed something but it seems all the flames were directed between other people. In any case, don't take it personally or seriously. Lately the topic of suplements and hair growth have been rather controversial on this forum. Personally I take a daily vitamin supplement to fill in any gaps in my food. I don't believe it will directly help my hair grow faster but by keeping myself as healthy as possible I believe the growth will be optimal. Good luck with your hair growth goals. It sounds like you are already on the right track!
I take the supplements.
Posted by Bon on February 20, 2003 at 21:31:24: Previous Next
In Reply to: Newbie question posted by Aaron S. on February 19, 2003 at 23:09:10:
But I am not in the majority by any means. I take them because(and this is hard to admit) I have eating disorders which make it so I don't get enough nutrients in my diet, so I have to take supplements for other things as well. At one point when I was severely restricting my hair would fall out in GLOBS, but most guys here haven't been to the extremes I have with malnutrition(be thankful) so vitamins wouldn't help as much as they have me. What I've noticed most in the past few months, however, is not hair growing longer faster, but staying on my head longer. There was a point where I was positive I was going bald it was falling out so fast. My point is, for most people taking a little pill won't help hair growth, but for some, it will.