Mullets - should we be more inclusive ?
Posted by Big L on July 08, 2003 at 16:33:07: Previous Next
I don't have a mullet and I don't really like the style but has anyone thought that the general tone of this board would scare off any mullet wearers who might visit ? Aren't the deriding comments made on this board about mullets no better and no less prejudiced than the comments some ignorant short-haired people make to us ? OK - mullets are 'old-fashioned' but when did any of us care about fashion when deciding to have long hair ?
There's no denying that - like them or loathe them - mullets include long (sometimes VERY long) hair. There must be some guys out there that take great care of their long mullets, are really proud of their hair and could share as many haircare tips and experiences as the longhairs that choose to have an 'all over' long style.
How about we celebrate and welcome ALL men who choose to have long hair, even though part of it may not be in a style that the majority of us like ?
Re: Well said.. and i agree completely (n/t)
Posted by Grale on July 08, 2003 at 16:36:35: Previous Next
In Reply to: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Big L on July 08, 2003 at 16:33:07:
HATEFULL ABOUT A STYLE
Posted by blais on July 08, 2003 at 16:56:01: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Well said.. and i agree completely (n/t) posted by Grale on July 08, 2003 at 16:36:35:
Hi to all.I are glad someone wanted to talk about MULLETTS.Will i have one and i like it..I know they are out of style.But i had a hair stylist tell me once..WEAR YOUR HAIR LIKE YOU WANT....HELL WITH WHATS IN STYLE......So i like the mullet style.MY HAIR IS VERY THICK AND WAVY,and looks good this way........ some guys with thin flyaway hair might look dumb.but mind looks good for my hair..hope to see post about this........love to post pictures..THANKS
mullets
Posted by moze on July 09, 2003 at 16:54:26: Previous Next
In Reply to: HATEFULL ABOUT A STYLE posted by blais on July 08, 2003 at 16:56:01:
ugh....personally id never be caught with the mullet hair...i honestly dont think the ammount of dedication is there for the mullets...and its fairly simple logic...the hair in the back of your head, near the neck, will hit the shoulders before any of the other hairs if you let it grow out...but dedication isnt really the argument.....but i personally dont like the way it looks
I second that
Posted by Santiago on July 08, 2003 at 16:42:53: Previous Next
In Reply to: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Big L on July 08, 2003 at 16:33:07:
I don't like mullets either. But some people don't like long hair in guys, and I have long hair.
If we criticize mullet guys because they don't have the courage to grow it all, or because they're not true longhairs. Its like saying someone that isn't aimed for terminal length is not a longhair. I might not get to terminal. I want it longer, but maybe not terminal. Thay doesn't make me not be a longhair. And if we don't wanna be prejudged, we better do to others as we want to be treated.
BTW, mullets are hybrid, they can sport both conditions. But they stop getting much benefit from their long hair and get the cons of both short and long.
Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ?
Posted by Nyghtfall on July 08, 2003 at 16:48:05: Previous Next
In Reply to: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Big L on July 08, 2003 at 16:33:07:
: I don't have a mullet and I don't really like the style but has anyone thought that the general tone of this board would scare off any mullet wearers who might visit?
I will never have any qualms with people who wear mullets visiting, or even contributing to the discussion, here. I don't even have any prejudices against mullets, or people who wear them. However, people who prefer them cannot, in my book, be classified as having "long hair". To be classified as a "long hair", a person's locks must encompass the full circumference of their head, not just one side of it. Bangs are the only exception to this rule.
Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ?
Posted by Dan on July 08, 2003 at 17:36:45: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Nyghtfall on July 08, 2003 at 16:48:05:
: : I don't have a mullet and I don't really like the style but has anyone thought that the general tone of this board would scare off any mullet wearers who might visit?
: I will never have any qualms with people who wear mullets visiting, or even contributing to the discussion, here. I don't even have any prejudices against mullets, or people who wear them. However, people who prefer them cannot, in my book, be classified as having "long hair". To be classified as a "long hair", a person's locks must encompass the full circumference of their head, not just one side of it. Bangs are the only exception to this rule.
Seems like a slippery slope argument, Nyghtfall. I mean, where do you draw the line? If I cut my sideburns, is my hair still long? What about my beard? What about if I get an undercut? Is a 24" mohawk long hair?
Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ?
Posted by Nyghtfall on July 08, 2003 at 18:18:04: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Dan on July 08, 2003 at 17:36:45:
: Seems like a slippery slope argument, Nyghtfall. I mean, where do you draw the line? If I cut my sideburns, is my hair still long? What about my beard? What about if I get an undercut? Is a 24" mohawk long hair?
Hmmm... good points. I stand corrected, and withdraw my arguement.
Well done!
:)
Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ?
Posted by Dan on July 08, 2003 at 19:22:09: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Nyghtfall on July 08, 2003 at 18:18:04:
: : Seems like a slippery slope argument, Nyghtfall. I mean, where do you draw the line? If I cut my sideburns, is my hair still long? What about my beard? What about if I get an undercut? Is a 24" mohawk long hair?
: Hmmm... good points. I stand corrected, and withdraw my arguement.
: Well done!
: :)
Did I sink your battleship? ;-)
Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ?
Posted by ColdFlu on July 08, 2003 at 18:58:13: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Dan on July 08, 2003 at 17:36:45:
: Seems like a slippery slope argument, Nyghtfall. I mean, where do you draw the line? If I cut my sideburns, is my hair still long? What about my beard? What about if I get an undercut? Is a 24" mohawk long hair?
A mullet is a mullet, a mohawk is a mohawk, hence they actually have names to their styles. A tail is a tail. I would not go up to someone with a long tail in the back of their head with the rest of their hair in a crew-cut and say "You got really long hair there". I would say "Your tail is long man." Long-hair is long hair and if all your hair is long and even "looking" and down to your shoulders, people say you have long-hair, hence, there is no specific style name for this except for "long-hair". If you have a mullet, people say you have a mullet. The same with a mohawk. Anytime that only part of anyone's head has long hair, it has a style name to it. I don't really see this as a "slippery slope argument".
Facial hair should not even been included in the argument. We are talking about hair growing on the scalp.
Let me ask you this Dan, Is a Gotee called a beard? Are growing only sideburns called a beard? I'll use this as a comparable argument.
Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ?
Posted by Dan on July 08, 2003 at 19:21:29: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by ColdFlu on July 08, 2003 at 18:58:13:
: Let me ask you this Dan, Is a Gotee called a beard?
Quite often, yes.
: Are growing only sideburns called a beard?
No, but some would consider big "chops" to be facial hair.
Regardlessly, I just don't see the need to put up these boundaries. Why can't we just appreciate each others' hair and get along together?
Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ?
Posted by ColdFlu on July 08, 2003 at 19:30:25: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Dan on July 08, 2003 at 19:21:29:
: : Let me ask you this Dan, Is a Gotee called a beard?
: Quite often, yes.
And yet both names exist...
: : Are growing only sideburns called a beard?
: No, but some would consider big "chops" to be facial hair.
: Regardlessly, I just don't see the need to put up these boundaries. Why can't we just appreciate each others' hair and get along together?
I do not have a problem with others' hair. They can wear it as they wish, bald, flat-top, crew-cut, mullet, mohawk, or all of their hair long at any length. My point is that a mullet is contains long-hair only in the back of someone's head and only that hair is long hair. The top, both sides and the bangs is "short-hair" no matter how you slice it. Therefore I cannot consider one's head as a whole wearing "long-hair". In order to do so, more than half of the hair on one's head would need to be long to call that head in whole a "long-hair.
Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ?
Posted by Cactus Jack on July 08, 2003 at 16:50:25: Previous Next
In Reply to: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Big L on July 08, 2003 at 16:33:07:
well even though i don't care for mullets much (i think it looks better all one length, but thats just MY opinion) i know theres plenty of people who LOVE them, and thats fine. they actually do look good one some people
if you want or have a mullet and your happy with it and you think it looks good on you then thats great, it may not be a style i would personally have but i think people should do what makes them happy and i don't believe in making fun of someone just because they have a diffrent style
regardless of hairstyle,dress or background i don't see any reason we all can't get along
it's all good
Be afraid... be very afraid! LOL! n/t
Posted by Treyn on July 08, 2003 at 17:39:37: Previous Next
In Reply to: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Big L on July 08, 2003 at 16:33:07:
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Just kidding around, BTW! (n/t)
Posted by Treyn on July 08, 2003 at 17:42:48: Previous Next
In Reply to: Be afraid... be very afraid! LOL! n/t posted by Treyn on July 08, 2003 at 17:39:37:
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Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ?
Posted by Jack on July 08, 2003 at 21:17:29: Previous Next
In Reply to: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Big L on July 08, 2003 at 16:33:07:
No, I don't think so. People wearing mullets is what has given men with long hair a bad name. If you look at the people with mullets it's mostly problem guys and criminals.
Long, well cared for hair is what needs to be encouraged on men.
: I don't have a mullet and I don't really like the style but has anyone thought that the general tone of this board would scare off any mullet wearers who might visit ? Aren't the deriding comments made on this board about mullets no better and no less prejudiced than the comments some ignorant short-haired people make to us ? OK - mullets are 'old-fashioned' but when did any of us care about fashion when deciding to have long hair ?
: There's no denying that - like them or loathe them - mullets include long (sometimes VERY long) hair. There must be some guys out there that take great care of their long mullets, are really proud of their hair and could share as many haircare tips and experiences as the longhairs that choose to have an 'all over' long style.
: How about we celebrate and welcome ALL men who choose to have long hair, even though part of it may not be in a style that the majority of us like ?
Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ?
Posted by mark on July 09, 2003 at 08:03:58: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Jack on July 08, 2003 at 21:17:29:
Umm, don't you think generalizing about mullet-wearers being mostly "problem guys and criminals" is no different from people who think most long haired men are "bikers, hippies, or druggies?" It's not fair to make assumptions about a person's character based on their hairstyle, even if you personally don't like their style. mho.
: No, I don't think so. People wearing mullets is what has given men with long hair a bad name. If you look at the people with mullets it's mostly problem guys and criminals.
: Long, well cared for hair is what needs to be encouraged on men.
: : I don't have a mullet and I don't really like the style but has anyone thought that the general tone of this board would scare off any mullet wearers who might visit ? Aren't the deriding comments made on this board about mullets no better and no less prejudiced than the comments some ignorant short-haired people make to us ? OK - mullets are 'old-fashioned' but when did any of us care about fashion when deciding to have long hair ?
: : There's no denying that - like them or loathe them - mullets include long (sometimes VERY long) hair. There must be some guys out there that take great care of their long mullets, are really proud of their hair and could share as many haircare tips and experiences as the longhairs that choose to have an 'all over' long style.
: : How about we celebrate and welcome ALL men who choose to have long hair, even though part of it may not be in a style that the majority of us like ?
And all longhairs are hippies
Posted by Mark Ellott on July 10, 2003 at 02:23:29: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Jack on July 08, 2003 at 21:17:29:
: No, I don't think so. People wearing mullets is what has given men with long hair a bad name. If you look at the people with mullets it's mostly problem guys and criminals.
: Long, well cared for hair is what needs to be encouraged on men.
Wow, not too judgemental, then? I vigorously object when people jump to stereotypical conclusions about me because I wear my hair long - so I don't judge others. Their actions do that.
The mullet is like any other style - suits some, not others. Live and let live.
Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ?
Posted by baldie the eagle on July 09, 2003 at 00:36:35: Previous Next
In Reply to: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Big L on July 08, 2003 at 16:33:07:
I agree. After all, we seem to accept undercuts, which are also a style where some of the hair is long and other parts not.
You can be too purist about this. There was a fashion about 15+ years ago or having just a rat's tail. I met a guy in the late 1980swho had basically short hair but a foot long rats tail. I hapened to see him again about a year ago, and then all of his hair was about 15 inches long. I think we are there to support any aspect of growing hair, even if we do not like the particular style.
Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ?
Posted by Challakee on July 09, 2003 at 10:38:49: Previous Next
In Reply to: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Big L on July 08, 2003 at 16:33:07:
I agree that this should be a "sounding board" for those of us who appreciate long hair. It's trendy right now to make fun of the mullet, that's why the general consensus is against the style. I often find men with different longer hair styles very attractive, as long as their hair is kept neat and clean.
Open your minds, folks. Do you like when people judge you for being a longhair??
Re: we already are
Posted by Hair Religion on July 09, 2003 at 11:36:43: Previous Next
In Reply to: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Big L on July 08, 2003 at 16:33:07:
Mullets do visit the board freely already.
Mullets only go halfway, a little bit of long. If it's not halfway then it's not a mullet.
People who voice their distain for mullets are merely stating their preference in hair styles especially in light of this being a longhair board and the fact that mullets are mostly half-committed attempts at longhair. Mullets are stopped and kept at a point where very short hair on top looks like the short hair stlyes that most guys here are rejecting.
It's not that people shouldn't choose mullets or that they are bad, but the atmosphere of thought around a mullet is that they are sort of trying to be a longhair without really trying to be one.
Everyone here must make their own choices anyway but since we are not here to make that choice for others we prefer to keep a general air of support for long and longer hair since that is the topic and goal even though many guys choose stay at certain lengths. Hair also grows slowly and from length to length you get a different picture so encouraging even longer hair allows people to keep experiencing something new.
Sure, pick your length but have you tried it longer yet?
The mullet
Posted by Sherri on July 09, 2003 at 13:45:32: Previous Next
In Reply to: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Big L on July 08, 2003 at 16:33:07:
I would love to know who thought up that name!
It began as a compromise. Guys wanted to have long hair, but because of most jobs, couldn't.
So, the mullet showed up. "Business in the front, party in the back." It made the boss, and the employee, happy.
Then it became stereotyped; low life, trailer park, jerry springer, illiterate red-neck, hick, etc. because the only jobs that would let you get away with it were blue collar, which is low income, therefore "white trash."
It is a hard look to pull off. It either really suits you, or looks really horrible.
I really loathe stereotyping and prejudice. I think I get that from my uncle; he's a stereotypical prejudice bastard.
Re: The mullet
Posted by ColdFlu on July 09, 2003 at 16:11:47: Previous Next
In Reply to: The mullet posted by Sherri on July 09, 2003 at 13:45:32:
Most men that I know that decided to wear a "mullet" just could not get past the awkward stage of growing their hair out or they did not like having long hair on their sides or front and just decided to grow their back out. The rest of them just did it when it was in fashion back in the eighties. I spent the first half of my young life as a blue collar and saw all types of hair styles. I am sure each individual has their own reasons or excuses as to why they wear a particular style. One particular individual on here stated that his hair would be "unmanageable" if he were to grow all sides out long. You cannot possibly say that unless you have actually grown the hair out. The awkward stage most likely defeated him. Even Weird Al Yankovich has grown his hair out really long now and he has some of the curliest hair I have ever seen. Now that it is all long, it is now manageable. Patience is indeed a virtue. I say to each to their own.
I, myself, am fighting baldness as I have been thinning ever so slowly that past 4 years only in my top back part of my scalp. I decided to start fighting it a month ago when I noticed it getting more pronounced. I am going to fight it for a year and if no progress is made on my part, I most likely will just shave my head and sport the baldie look since I do not wish to attempt to style my hair in a comb-over. I should have not waited this long to grow my hair out, but oh well.
Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ?
Posted by mjtoo on July 10, 2003 at 02:22:58: Previous Next
In Reply to: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by Big L on July 08, 2003 at 16:33:07:
i don't have a mullet either, but i sure did in the 80's! and while the fad has come and gone, we all know there are those that still wear them...and they DO look good on some guys...i'm not a fan of the extreme mullet at all (aka: the billy ray cyrus old look) but just because a guy has layers in his hair doesn't mean it is a mullet.
i don't understand the extreme loathesome attitude often exhibited here about them either or the snobbery attitude about "all one length"...personally, these days, i am glad to see just about any kind of long hair on guys....especially with all these buzz cut/power bang cuts that are going on.
to each his own...
mjtoo
: I don't have a mullet and I don't really like the style but has anyone thought that the general tone of this board would scare off any mullet wearers who might visit ? Aren't the deriding comments made on this board about mullets no better and no less prejudiced than the comments some ignorant short-haired people make to us ? OK - mullets are 'old-fashioned' but when did any of us care about fashion when deciding to have long hair ?
: There's no denying that - like them or loathe them - mullets include long (sometimes VERY long) hair. There must be some guys out there that take great care of their long mullets, are really proud of their hair and could share as many haircare tips and experiences as the longhairs that choose to have an 'all over' long style.
: How about we celebrate and welcome ALL men who choose to have long hair, even though part of it may not be in a style that the majority of us like ?
Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ?
Posted by ColdFlu on July 10, 2003 at 10:13:33: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by mjtoo on July 10, 2003 at 02:22:58:
The name of this forum is "Men's Long Hair Site". The recent attitudes of most on here is concentration on emotions and not the topic. Since the majority of users that post on here are in the "awkward stages" of growing their hair out, they seek advice from the others who have been there and done that and share these experiences with others going through it. Someone who chooses to wear a mullet does NOT ever experience these stages because they chose NOT to and therefore cannot offer any advice to the rest of us who HAVE chosen to go through these stages to be a "long-hair". The hair on the back of most anyone's head can grow no matter how they take care of it. It is the best growing hair on most individual's heads. I should just grow 2 little strands of hair from my scalp and voila!, I am a long-hair man. At least that seems to be the attitude on here and some say there should be no boundaries as to what considers someone to be a long-hair man. If you can find a style name for someone with all even length at least down to their shoulders other than long-hair, then I will withdraw from this conversation all together.
There are over 100 support sites on the internet dedicated to those who "choose" to wear a mullet. Why are they NOT using these sites? Maybe the name of this site should be changed to "Men's Hair Site", since any number of hair strands can be long to be considered a long-hair man.
An you are right, to each to their own and like I said before I am not prejudice or stereotyping anyone, nor have I made no mention to it in any of my posts. I keep my argument specifically on the topic at hand. There are forums dedicated out there for all different kinds of styles. Why not use them? It is nobody's fault on here that someone has decided to wear a style that the majority of our society cannot determine where they fit in..short hair...or long hair...and nobody on here has ever told anyone until recently to try a mullet. Hey if you cannot hack the awkward stages...try a mullet, I did. Is this good advice for the intentions of this forum?
: i don't have a mullet either, but i sure did in the 80's! and while the fad has come and gone, we all know there are those that still wear them...and they DO look good on some guys...i'm not a fan of the extreme mullet at all (aka: the billy ray cyrus old look) but just because a guy has layers in his hair doesn't mean it is a mullet.
: i don't understand the extreme loathesome attitude often exhibited here about them either or the snobbery attitude about "all one length"...personally, these days, i am glad to see just about any kind of long hair on guys....especially with all these buzz cut/power bang cuts that are going on.
: to each his own...
: mjtoo
: : I don't have a mullet and I don't really like the style but has anyone thought that the general tone of this board would scare off any mullet wearers who might visit ? Aren't the deriding comments made on this board about mullets no better and no less prejudiced than the comments some ignorant short-haired people make to us ? OK - mullets are 'old-fashioned' but when did any of us care about fashion when deciding to have long hair ?
: : There's no denying that - like them or loathe them - mullets include long (sometimes VERY long) hair. There must be some guys out there that take great care of their long mullets, are really proud of their hair and could share as many haircare tips and experiences as the longhairs that choose to have an 'all over' long style.
: : How about we celebrate and welcome ALL men who choose to have long hair, even though part of it may not be in a style that the majority of us like ?
Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ?
Posted by Dan on July 10, 2003 at 12:38:10: Previous Next
In Reply to: Re: Mullets - should we be more inclusive ? posted by mjtoo on July 10, 2003 at 02:22:58:
: i don't understand the extreme loathesome attitude often exhibited here about them either or the snobbery attitude about "all one length"...personally, these days, i am glad to see just about any kind of long hair on guys....especially with all these buzz cut/power bang cuts that are going on.
I agree. It's just freakin' hair. It's not a part of my personality or attitude. It's just the way I've chosen to make myself appear. If I cut my hair tomorrow, it wouldn't change who I am, the way I live my life or what I stand for. I totally don't understand or condone the elitism of some of the posters here with regard to cutting. Again, it's just hair. Let's not make it into something it's not.
I'm not really a fan of the way the mullet looks on anyone, really, but if cutting the front makes a person more comfortable or allows them to appear the way they want, who is anyone else to tell them otherwise? If it makes you happy, do it.