Any lawyers? Can this be related...
Posted by tommy turbo on November 04, 2002 at 19:47:48: Previous Next
In Reply to: My hair is keeping me from work... posted by Dandee on November 04, 2002 at 19:30:36:
To the mullet boy in Rhoad Island. Anyway,I was extorted into cutting my hair or be fired. I did and am growing it back, couldn't stand it short. It has made me angry and bitter, and I wish I hadn't ever started working there. Trust me, If you cn't be yourself at work, what fun is that? Life is too short to live for others. Did you actually interview for this in person? I am not a lawyer, but isn't this a federal, or state job? Can the state or fed discrimintate like this? Use the trial everyone was postting about in Providence RI with the boy who took on the private school, as precident.
Re: My hair is keeping me from work...
Posted by mudtallica on November 04, 2002 at 20:17:07: Previous Next
In Reply to: My hair is keeping me from work... posted by Dandee on November 04, 2002 at 19:30:36:
You seem a bit annoyed! I kinda know how you feel. When I was 19 and I got a job firefighting, nothing was said about my long hair... UNTIL about 6 months into the job! It was like it was a big deal all of a sudden. Well, I knew there were some ill enforced rules about hair length, but since nothing was said when I was hired, I kept my mouth shut. When it became an issue, I decided to use something I hardly ever let anyone know about; I am an Indian, and as such, my hair is a part of who I am. I don't LOOK Indian, I am fair skinned and have blonde hair, but I have "papers", I guess you could say. (I was 'adopted' when I was 13) But anyway, I never had to show or prove anything. Just the mention of a discrimination controversy was enough for them to decide to let it slide! Maybe this could work for you somehow?
Re: My hair is keeping me from work...
Posted by Justin on November 04, 2002 at 21:21:29: Previous Next
In Reply to: My hair is keeping me from work... posted by Dandee on November 04, 2002 at 19:30:36:
: You know what this country has taught us from day one? If you just look the part you can screw your neighbor's wife and rip off your pastor-ALL IN THE SAME F__KING DAY.
A very sad commentary on the so-called "Society" of today in general. I too am in wonderment as to why most want to be "clones" of everyone else. Creativeness, individuality, just being yourself (who you are) just doesn't seem to be part of the picture anymore. BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!.........what if your (possibly religious?) employer was dealing with artists depictions of Christ Himself? Bet(if so it was his belief) that he would quickly "back-off" for fear of NOT gaining "Everlasting life" upon his demise! I would NEVER conform to wishes such as this. And yes, I should think this episode quite "against the law." Good luck working it out if possiblle. If you can't..........is it possible to obtain some sort of other job? One thing I have learned in life: to do battle with an IDIOT is absolutely fruitless! (They thrive on it.) But do NOT let anger show to them ever, and just being as pleasent to them as possible drives them up a tree, for they have nowhere to go. Show them ALL that YOU are the "TRUE GENTLEMAN WITH MANNORS." (Hey........even go out of your way to do a little something thoughtful for them.) Boy, I tell you........this is one BIG KILLER that they cannot handle and most likely will make them even more furious. And yet,nothing but a feather in your cap. (Or, rather long beautiful hair which Nature Itself deemed natural for Man.) Alas, we are dealing with the "Un-naturals." They spend their time in worries about how someone wears their hair and IGNOR REAL PROBLEMS AND WORRIES that plague the world. (Starvation, Disease, accute suffering to just name a few.) Kind of sheds a light on what they consider important instead of puting their minds (what is left) to making this short life-span of ours a much healthier World to live in. Good luck "Dandee."
Re: My hair is keeping me from work...
Posted by Charlie on November 04, 2002 at 21:22:19: Previous Next
In Reply to: My hair is keeping me from work... posted by Dandee on November 04, 2002 at 19:30:36:
I remember a guy who posted a while back who wore his hair wound up under a relatively short man's wig. Have you thought of trying that? Though the wig would probably be noticeable in outside light, I don't think anyone would have the nerve to say anything (if you could stand the thought of people possibly laughing behind your back or theorizing (chemotherapy, etc.?)
Charlie
Re: My hair is keeping me from work...
Posted by Phil on November 04, 2002 at 22:20:24: Previous Next
In Reply to: My hair is keeping me from work... posted by Dandee on November 04, 2002 at 19:30:36:
If you have to take these jerks to court and file a case against them, so be it!! This is a pure form of discrimination! I'm 22, and I'll tell you, I would never cut my hair for any job. If people cannot accept me for who i am, then that's their f**kin problem, excuse my language, stuff like this just agitates me b/c it's so wrong and unfair! These IDIOT'S forgot that throughout history, men of all professions had long hair! Our first president George Washington did....during the American Revolution, the entire Continental Army and Militia had long hair!!
I say this and this message is for ALL US LONGHAIRS...WE MUST NOT ALLOW THIS DISCRIMINATION TO PREVAIL...IT'S WRONG AND WE MUST DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO STOP IT!!! WE MUST ALL MAKE AN EFFORT WHENEVER WE FACE THESE INJUSTICES, AND BELIEVE ME IF WE ALL, IF EVERY SINGLE LONGHAIR AND EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS BOARD JOINS THE FIGHT, THEN BELIEVE ME FOLKS, WE WILL ACHIEVE AND SEE RESULTS!! WE MUST NOT GIVE UP, EVEN IF WE FEEL IT'S A LOST CAUSE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT!! THROUGHOUT HISTORY WE'VE SEEN MANY FACES FIGHT FOR A CAUSE AND CHANGE IT...WE CAN EVEN DO THE SAME...IF WE DON'T STAND UP FOR OURSELVES NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE!!
Re: Militia
Posted by Baldie the Eagle on November 05, 2002 at 00:00:36: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: My hair is keeping me from work... posted by Phil on November 04, 2002 at 22:20:24:
: during the American Revolution, the entire Continental Army and Militia had long hair!!
I read somewhere that in those days, you could be refused entry to the army until your hair grew long enough! Mind you, that would be discrimination, too, but it shows that many things considered to be valid reasons for discrimination are nothing of the sort.
I would discriminate if I wanted to hire anyone.... but only against someone incapable of doing the job.
Re: My hair is keeping me from work...
Posted by 4everlong on November 05, 2002 at 09:13:18: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: My hair is keeping me from work... posted by Phil on November 04, 2002 at 22:20:24:
: If you have to take these jerks to court and file a case against them, so be it!! This is a pure form of discrimination! I'm 22, and I'll tell you, I would never cut my hair for any job. If people cannot accept me for who i am, then that's their f**kin problem, excuse my language, stuff like this just agitates me b/c it's so wrong and unfair! These IDIOT'S forgot that throughout history, men of all professions had long hair! Our first president George Washington did....during the American Revolution, the entire Continental Army and Militia had long hair!!
Ben Franklin, our nations first BUSINESSMAN, had long hair. Just look at any 100 dollar bill or travel to Piladelphia (His face is everywhere with long hair of course)!!! He never screwed any of his customers and employees like the Enron, Imclone or World.com short haired executives did. BTW: You can tell I'm from Pennsylvania, can't you.
MESSAGE FOR ALL US LONG-HAIRS
Posted by Phil on November 04, 2002 at 22:20:30: Previous Next
In Reply to: My hair is keeping me from work... posted by Dandee on November 04, 2002 at 19:30:36:
I say this and this message is for ALL US LONGHAIRS...WE MUST NOT ALLOW LONGHAIR DISCRIMINATION TO PREVAIL...IT'S WRONG AND WE MUST DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO STOP IT!!! WE MUST ALL MAKE AN EFFORT WHENEVER WE FACE THESE INJUSTICES, AND BELIEVE ME, IF WE ALL TAKE ACTION AND FIGHT AGAINST THIS, THEN BELIEVE ME FOLKS, WE WILL ACHIEVE AND SEE RESULTS!! WE MUST NOT GIVE UP, EVEN IF WE FEEL IT'S A LOST CAUSE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT!! THROUGHOUT HISTORY WE'VE SEEN MANY FACES FIGHT FOR A CAUSE AND CHANGE IT...WE TOO CAN DO THE SAME...IF WE DON'T STAND UP FOR OURSELVES NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE!!
i just don't get it...
Posted by dF on November 04, 2002 at 23:35:34: Previous Next
In Reply to: My hair is keeping me from work... posted by Dandee on November 04, 2002 at 19:30:36:
the place i work at allows women to have long hair, but with males, it's a different story...we're supposed to keep it cut short and above the collar. but yet this place i work at says they will not tolerate sexual discrimination... is that not sexual discrimination by allowing females long hair, but not the males? it just pisses me off.. i wish there were something i could do about it.
Remember...
Posted by Rokker on November 05, 2002 at 09:46:46: Previous Next
In Reply to: My hair is keeping me from work... posted by Dandee on November 04, 2002 at 19:30:36:
Remain independent of any source of income that will deprive you of your freedom and personal liberties.
It's good to know what you want, but better to know who you are.
Employers deal with matters of convenience, not conviction.
Sometimes the impossible is possible.
What we hold sacred gives our lives meaning.
If it doesn't seem like it's worth a hair cut, it probably ain't.
And lastly...Never follow good whiskey with water, unless you're out of good whiskey.
My thoughts
Posted by FITMUS on November 05, 2002 at 16:55:04: Previous Next
In Reply to: My hair is keeping me from work... posted by Dandee on November 04, 2002 at 19:30:36:
Like Phil, this issue agitates me as well. It is definitely discrimination. Unfortunately, a cursory search of mine has not revealed any federal case law that protects against discrimination against men for their hair. A lawsuit just might be in order, where a favorable ruling could give us some precedent and therefore, protection against such sad discrimination. Unfortunately, the Rhode Island case won't serve as precedent since the facts were that of a student that was already admitted into the school where the school's rule against long hair was promulgated to single this boy out. Here, you aren't hired and it sounds like it was a policy that was already in place, thereby not singling you out. Whether it's you or someone else, I think a favorable lawsuit is what we need. Sadly, the more of us that give in without fighting just enable this horrible discrimination. Unfortunately, though, a suit takes time and money, which most of us don't have. I wish you all the best, and I'm sorry to hear, yet again, another disrimination case just because of a man with long hair. Yes, it is bullshit.
Re: My hair is keeping me from work...
Posted by Longhair Scott on November 05, 2002 at 18:53:28: Previous Next
In Reply to: My hair is keeping me from work... posted by Dandee on November 04, 2002 at 19:30:36:
I don't know. I'm a (semi-)old fart with an American flag on my lapel (when I wear a suit). And I'm also an ex-military "dick" (eight proud years in the U.S. Air Force). I'm not a cop, but my sister is one. She married someone with longer hair than me. I guess that it just goes to show that you can't really paint with a broad brush without smearing somebody. Have a good one! Scott
:I would really like to s*t on these anal bastards. You know, the old fart with the little American flag in his lapel. Or the ex-military dick who is now a cop.
Re: My hair is keeping me from work...
Posted by terry on November 05, 2002 at 22:11:35: Previous Next
In Reply to: My hair is keeping me from work... posted by Dandee on November 04, 2002 at 19:30:36:
You say your hair is keeping you from working the job you want.
Not necessarily. You say the world is so damn f__ked up. Again, not necessarily. You applied for a ranger job in Cal. and one in Oregon and they all said they have a dress/appearance code. You have called their dress code a neat-nick anal retentive code of no hair past the collar. You say this is the type of work you are looking for. Rangers in any state must deal with lots of procedures and Criminal Codes in their everyday environment. If the hair dress code is sending you over the top, the other aspects of being a ranger will also send you over the top. Rangers often have to make personal sacrifices and family sacrifices every day and the short hair dress code is a good beginning for any rookie.
You, like myself and others, say more about ourselves than we do about others when we write.
If you look the part you are often fooling yourself and a few other for a short time but in the end you are the biggest loser of all. Honesty, and integrity and personal sacrifices usually pay off in the end in two ways. You won playing by the rules. You are trustworthy and a trusted and valued member of your community.
Huh?
Posted by Rokker on November 06, 2002 at 09:04:42: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: My hair is keeping me from work... posted by terry on November 05, 2002 at 22:11:35:
"You have called their dress code a neat-nick anal retentive code of no hair past the collar."
What do you call that haircut standard? Liberal? Hell yes it's an absurd, anal-retentive code.
"If the hair dress code is sending you over the top, the other aspects of being a ranger will also send you over the top."
I don't believe that's true. While he my be passionate about a ridiculous hair code, it in no way means other things will upset him. All of us have certain passions about things. That doesn't make us passionate about everything.
"Rangers often have to make personal sacrifices and family sacrifices every day and the short hair dress code is a good beginning for any rookie."
Really? How's that? Will a hair cut make him a better "rookie"? Will a hair cut make him do his job better? How is getting a haircut a "good beginning"?
"You, like myself and others, say more about ourselves than we do about others when we write."
You should have thought of that before you wrote! What exactly are you saying?
"If you look the part you are often fooling yourself and a few other for a short time but in the end you are the biggest loser of all."
I disagree. The biggest loser of all is one who will sell his integrity and personal value system for a job and a buck or two! One of our founding fathers said, "give me liberty or give me death". What's your saying? It's probably "who needs liberty if there's a decent job and a few bucks to make"!
"Honesty, and integrity and personal sacrifices usually pay off in the end in two ways. You won playing by the rules. You are trustworthy and a trusted and valued member of your community."
Where's the integrity in accepting something you don't believe in? Where's the honesty and being true to youreself by giving in to the whims of others, even if they violate your own belief system.
Sometimes the "rules" aren't fair. When they aren't, we should speak up and say so. Your appraoch seems to be accept the rules, right or wrong.
It's you who lacks integrity!
THE LOSER IS HE WHO CONFORMS
Posted by Phil on November 07, 2002 at 00:08:30: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: My hair is keeping me from work... posted by terry on November 05, 2002 at 22:11:35:
YOU ARE SO WRONG TERRY!!! IF ANYTHING YOU ARE THE LOSER; THE LOSER WHO WOULD RATHER CONFORM WITHOUT A MIND OF HER OWN!!! YOUR NOTHING MORE THAN A PROGRAMMED ROBOT WHO WOULD RATHER LOOSE THEIR DIGNITY TO A JOB..I'D RATHER RETAIN MY DIGNITY..I'M PROUD TO SAY I HAVE LONG HAIR AND AM MYSELF!!!!!
Re: My hair is keeping me from work...
Posted by Bill on November 05, 2002 at 22:34:42: Previous Next
In Reply to: My hair is keeping me from work... posted by Dandee on November 04, 2002 at 19:30:36:
: My hair is keeping me from working the job I want. The world is so damn f__ked up. I applied for a ranger job in Cal. and one in Oregon and they all said they have this neat-nick anal retentive code of no hair past the collar. This is the type of work I am looking for and my hair took five years to get where it is today.
Rangers and police officers are about the last place we will see non-discrimination because these people wear uniforms. Why not get into a related field instead? Leading expeditions or running rafters down a river are two examples that come to mind, and there are surely others.