I think they're a bit nuts...
Posted by LucksKind on June 13, 2003 at 12:58:54: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
1. Since when do most gays wear LONG hair? Isn't it just the OPPOSITE?!
2. Long hair responsible for breaking up marriage, family & home?
...hummm...do you think that it's real Love or a strong marriage? Think again!
3. Long hair on a man isn't 'natural'? ummmmmm...then why
does Nature insist on making it grow down to your arse or longer when left alone?
Where's Mr. ScissorHands?
Re: I think they're a bit nuts...
Posted by hBK on June 13, 2003 at 15:18:56: Previous NextIn Reply to: I think they're a bit nuts... posted by LucksKind on June 13, 2003 at 12:58:54:
I usually ignore what the new testament says since it tends to be filled with total s***. Basing something regarding long hair because St. Peter said so... wasn't he bald... ok. Old Testament clearly states that a man should cut his hair only once per year. It is part of a man's nature to have long hair.
Re: I think they're a bit nuts...
Posted by gay on June 20, 2003 at 08:56:43: Previous NextIn Reply to: I think they're a bit nuts... posted by LucksKind on June 13, 2003 at 12:58:54:
:
: 1. Since when do most gays wear LONG hair? Isn't it just the OPPOSITE?!: 2. Long hair responsible for breaking up marriage, family & home?
: ...hummm...do you think that it's real Love or a strong marriage? Think again!: 3. Long hair on a man isn't 'natural'? ummmmmm...then why
: does Nature insist on making it grow down to your arse or longer when left alone?
: Where's Mr. ScissorHands?
Re: A Few Anti-Hair Sites...
Posted by Mark Ellott on June 13, 2003 at 13:04:08: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
I've come across a couple of similar sites before - the middle America baptists are particularly vociferous.
St Paul's letter to the Corinthians was just his opinion and he's been dead this past 2000 years - so I generally ignore them. Their opinion is not important.
Religious fundamentalism is evil - pure and simple.
The only freaks are the control freaks who would twist their chosen religion to try and control others.
Couldn't have said it better (nt)
Posted by Santiago on June 13, 2003 at 13:07:56: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by Mark Ellott on June 13, 2003 at 13:04:08:
: I've come across a couple of similar sites before - the middle America baptists are particularly vociferous.
: St Paul's letter to the Corinthians was just his opinion and he's been dead this past 2000 years - so I generally ignore them. Their opinion is not important.
: Religious fundamentalism is evil - pure and simple.
: The only freaks are the control freaks who would twist their chosen religion to try and control others.
Devil's Beatitudes.
Posted by 4everlong on June 16, 2003 at 09:50:08: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by Mark Ellott on June 13, 2003 at 13:04:08:
: I've come across a couple of similar sites before - the middle America baptists are particularly vociferous.
: St Paul's letter to the Corinthians was just his opinion and he's been dead this past 2000 years - so I generally ignore them. Their opinion is not important.
: Religious fundamentalism is evil - pure and simple.
: The only freaks are the control freaks who would twist their chosen religion to try and control others.
Some of these Anti-long hair sites remind me of one of the Devil's Beatitudes: "Blessed are the trouble-makers, for they shall be called the children of the devil."
stomach turning nonsense. [n/t]
Posted by K on June 13, 2003 at 13:23:49: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
: I'm totally for long hair in men if they want it, but I found some sites that try to use the Bible as justification for men keeping it short. I thought I'd show you all what our competiton is, and perhaps it can promote a discussion on the issue. Now I know people already have counter arguments on the Corinthians chapters in the Bible, but I haven't seen another thread like this (I did check; if I missed it somewhere, I apologize), so let's start a thread on this issue. I'm not trying to incite the wrath of the entire forum on these websites, but rather, see constructive arguments against them, all fitted nicely into one thread.
: The first link is for the site of an overzealous pastor who responds to a man's email. While I'm not too sure about the man's claim that God *told* him his long hair was okay, just look at the pastor's reponse. He also makes a nasty comment about homosexuals: http://www.llano.net/baptist/longhaironmen.htm
: The next link is of a man quoting Corinthians and using it as the basis for the entire article. He is trying to say how Satanic, feminine, and rebellious it is for men to have long hair. I am a Christian and his article offends me, so if there are other Christians here, read at your own risk:
: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/7895/longhar.html
:
: Off-topic: BTW, thank you guys. Everytime I get the whim to cut my hair (sometimes it overwhelms my desire to grow it), I only have to come here; all my doubts are erased, and my resolve is strengthened once more.
Re: A Few Anti-Hair Sites...
Posted by ColdFlu on June 13, 2003 at 13:50:16: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
Lucky for me that I am not religous. There are many perceptions and interpretations of each event that took place oh, so many years ago. The only thing that interests me about religion is the number of religions that exist today and each one has slightly modified versions of what went down then. Man is known for telling tales and can only imagine how much the tale has changed in over 2000 years. So let them preech, it is obvious they have nothing better to do with their time.
I'm an atheist, so...
Posted by Evil Milkman on June 13, 2003 at 13:55:12: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
...I simply dismiss what these nuts are saying. Even if I were still religious, I'd still be questioning these articles on their narrow-minded beliefs.
Re: A Few Anti-Hair Sites...
Posted by nWo_Slapnut on June 13, 2003 at 14:40:45: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
:I found some sites that try to use the Bible as justification for men keeping it short.
I think that statement does all the speaking for itself.
*sigh*
Posted by Resonance on June 13, 2003 at 15:37:59: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
These archaic views used to make me angry, now they're just depressing.
My Opinion on this........
Posted by Cactus Jack on June 13, 2003 at 16:56:18: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
theres peoples areguments against hair are just so STUPID and IGNORANT that i can't even put into words how i feel about them
by the way i AM a Christian, and regardless of what people may claim it does NOT say that long hair is a sin in the bible, there is stuff about it, but people who read it that way tend to QUOTE one verse without the surounding text making it appear as how they want it to
the thing in corinthians, by the way is talking about local customs, that's all, it's not talking about comandments or anything like that
also something to use against them when arguing:
it it's pretty likely that Jesus himself DOES have long hair even though people want to argue it dosent say that, it dosent say it exactly in those words BUT it does describe John the baptist as having long hair,beard and unkept apperance, and it also says that Jesus and John looked so much alike that people would confuse them
I forgot about THAT one...
Posted by LucksKind on June 13, 2003 at 19:09:33: Previous NextIn Reply to: My Opinion on this........ posted by Cactus Jack on June 13, 2003 at 16:56:18:
John the baptist had long hair,beard and unkept apperance...
and since Jesus was his COUSIN and only 6 months apart in age...
they were sometimes confused one with the other...Also, even if people are not religious...
Just for the record: Paul never said it was a SIN nor a commandment...And isn't it VERY IRONIC that Jesus is depicted with long hair...
and if you see a picture of him without the hair he sort of becomes
UNrecognizable...
Amen &
Good Luck
Re: My Opinion on this........
Posted by Mark Ellott on June 14, 2003 at 03:24:59: Previous NextIn Reply to: My Opinion on this........ posted by Cactus Jack on June 13, 2003 at 16:56:18:
He probably looked pretty wild after 40 days in the desert.... ;-)
Re: anti-other people sites...
Posted by Hair Religion on June 13, 2003 at 17:16:54: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
Hey, you found those pages! I thought they might make a pretty good standup routine.
Imagine Rodney Dangerfield's voice: "I get no respect. All I do is go up to people and tell them they're evil and they look at me like I'm crazy!"
Re: A Few Anti-Hair Sites...
Posted by Rogeree on June 13, 2003 at 17:43:40: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
And the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, and Santa Claus said it ok to have long hair. I guess I'll believe in them. They're more fun.
The transcribed and re-written twisted history from events 2000 years ago or more shall never effect the actions in my life TODAY. Why should they? I don't live in the past. Or perhaps we should still burn witches at the stake. Or nail people to two peices of wood. How barbaric was that ?
Oh...the bible again...
Posted by Marc A on June 13, 2003 at 23:28:10: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by Rogeree on June 13, 2003 at 17:43:40:
: And the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, and Santa Claus said it ok to have long hair. I guess I'll believe in them. They're more fun.
: The transcribed and re-written twisted history from events 2000 years ago or more shall never effect the actions in my life TODAY. Why should they? I don't live in the past. Or perhaps we should still burn witches at the stake. Or nail people to two pieces of wood. How barbaric was that ?
This is an excellent reply. Some christians take biblical texts so seriously. To me the bible's like a novel...I consider it to be mostly fiction from the stone age. All word of mouth, probably much distorted over time. What truly happened back then?? We'll never know.
I don't consider myself a buddist, but I tend to believe more in that kind of philosophy... The law of karma, reincarnation...makes more sense to me. Less dogmatic. Mark Ellott will certainly agree with me on that. We think alike when it come to this subject.Here a scan I took of the cover of a book I have on buhddhism & general philosophy. It is the best book I have ever read on this topic. It is still in print. Anyone want to find out more, e-mail me.
PS: Notice the yogi's nice long hair Born;1893 Died:1952
Re: Oh...the bible again...
Posted by Mark Ellott on June 14, 2003 at 03:22:51: Previous NextIn Reply to: Oh...the bible again... posted by Marc A on June 13, 2003 at 23:28:10:
: I don't consider myself a buddist, but I tend to believe more in that kind of philosophy... The law of karma, reincarnation...makes more sense to me. Less dogmatic. Mark Ellott will certainly agree with me on that. We think alike when it come to this subject.
Perceptive....
pisses me off >:( {n/t}
Posted by Aaron S. on June 13, 2003 at 19:52:29: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
Another view
Posted by b.j. on June 13, 2003 at 21:09:17: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
Refer to this site for a biblical look at men growing long hair:
http://www.elite.net/~ebedyah/PastorsSite/otherareas/longhair.htm
Re: Another view
Posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 22:53:32: Previous NextIn Reply to: Another view posted by b.j. on June 13, 2003 at 21:09:17:
Try this site for another (short) rebuttal on the Bible issue: http://www.postfun.com/pfp/tracts/rtb/hair.html
Re: A Few Anti-Hair Sites...
Posted by JerryS on June 13, 2003 at 22:01:27: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
I guess some people believe we should do what the Bible says and apply it to our society today but how many people actually commit the act of "Eye for an eye"?
You could take a line of people and ask them the same question and probably get a different answer from each one about parts of the Bible. Each person has their own interpretation of most of the versus of the Bible.
If you study Revelations closely, most of it is written in symbols. I do believe Revelations is more related to our modern days but other parts of the Bible is too but mainly when the New Testament and Old Testaments were written.
If men are not allowed to have long hair according to the Bible, why did Sampson have long har and why was it his strength?
Well, that is my opinion on this subject.
what about jesus?
Posted by Doomlord on June 13, 2003 at 22:39:14: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by JerryS on June 13, 2003 at 22:01:27:
did I miss something? I mean how can someone say the bible says men should have short hair when jesus(one of the main people in it btw) had long hair? ok now Im confused, and samsons the other example, I thought long hair on men was the common style of the times too.
Re: what about jesus?
Posted by JerryS on June 14, 2003 at 08:44:46: Previous NextIn Reply to: what about jesus? posted by Doomlord on June 13, 2003 at 22:39:14:
: did I miss something? I mean how can someone say the bible says men should have short hair when jesus(one of the main people in it btw) had long hair? ok now Im confused, and samsons the other example, I thought long hair on men was the common style of the times too.
There are people out there who argue if Jesus had long hair or not. Most pictures I have seen of him depicts him with at least shoulder length hair and even the movies show him that way.
But the truth is that nobody today really knows how long his hair really was.
I was watching one of the nighttime news shows (Dateline, 20/20, etc.) and they had a story about how Jewish men looked at that time. They took an old skull believed to be from the time Jesus walked on earth and put clay and everything on it.
The way it turned out is not the way Jesus looks in all of the pictures and movies you see!I think the only way we are ever going to know what he really looks like is when we meet him face to face.
But until then we should just hope that Jesus accepts long hair no matter who it is on.
Re: what about jesus?
Posted by Doomlord on June 14, 2003 at 11:53:45: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: what about jesus? posted by JerryS on June 14, 2003 at 08:44:46:
but doesnt the shroud of turin kinda show what he looked like? I think it showed him with the hair.
: : did I miss something? I mean how can someone say the bible says men should have short hair when jesus(one of the main people in it btw) had long hair? ok now Im confused, and samsons the other example, I thought long hair on men was the common: There are people out there who argue if Jesus had long hair or not. Most pictures I have seen of him depicts him with at least shoulder length hair and even the movies show him that way.
: But the truth is that nobody today really knows how long his hair really was.
: I was watching one of the nighttime news shows (Dateline, 20/20, etc.) and they had a story about how Jewish men looked at that time. They took an old skull believed to be from the time Jesus walked on earth and put clay and everything on it.
: The way it turned out is not the way Jesus looks in all of the pictures and movies you see!: I think the only way we are ever going to know what he really looks like is when we meet him face to face.
: But until then we should just hope that Jesus accepts long hair no matter who it is on.
Re: another fraud
Posted by Hair Religion on June 14, 2003 at 17:25:25: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: what about jesus? posted by Doomlord on June 14, 2003 at 11:53:45:
No, just another fanciful artist's rendering. In brief:
http://www.infidels.org/secular_web/feature/1998/shroud.htmlThe Discovery channel did an interesting in-depth look at what Jesus most likely would have looked like if he had really existed with the express goal of being as accurate as possible.
Here is what they came up with:
Re: another fraud
Posted by Doomlord on June 14, 2003 at 20:37:00: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: another fraud posted by Hair Religion on June 14, 2003 at 17:25:25:
I dont know, the image of a long haired jesus has been around so long, it had to have come from somewhere. I mean why would they make him have long hair if he didnt have it? oh well, lets just say he did have it, and that works out in our(longhairs) favor:) end of story
: No, just another fanciful artist's rendering. In brief:
: http://www.infidels.org/secular_web/feature/1998/shroud.html: The Discovery channel did an interesting in-depth look at what Jesus most likely would have looked like if he had really existed with the express goal of being as accurate as possible.
: Here is what they came up with:
Re: another fraud
Posted by Victor on June 14, 2003 at 21:36:05: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: another fraud posted by Doomlord on June 14, 2003 at 20:37:00:
The oldest pictures of Jesus depict him with short hair.
: I dont know, the image of a long haired jesus has been around so long, it had to have come from somewhere. I mean why would they make him have long hair if he didnt have it? oh well, lets just say he did have it, and that works out in our(longhairs) favor:) end of story
: : No, just another fanciful artist's rendering. In brief:
: : http://www.infidels.org/secular_web/feature/1998/shroud.html: : The Discovery channel did an interesting in-depth look at what Jesus most likely would have looked like if he had really existed with the express goal of being as accurate as possible.
: : Here is what they came up with:
Re: another fraud
Posted by elektros on June 22, 2003 at 00:46:06: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: another fraud posted by Victor on June 14, 2003 at 21:36:05:
: The oldest pictures of Jesus depict him with short hair.
The Shroud of Turin has an image of a guy with at least longish hair, whoever he is.
Paul was a Roman, and Romans were prejudiced against long hair.
Oh well, I am an atheist anyway, but it's hard to see from where I sit how the words of a Roman writing much later have any weight. What is Corinthians doing in the Bible anyway?
Re: whaaa?
Posted by Hair Religion on June 15, 2003 at 00:01:16: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: another fraud posted by Doomlord on June 14, 2003 at 20:37:00:
The story never ends.
Re: another pic
Posted by Hair Religion on June 16, 2003 at 23:36:28: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: another fraud posted by Hair Religion on June 14, 2003 at 17:25:25:
Here, I made another self-explaining version that you can feel free to spread around.
Re: what about jesus?
Posted by Treyn on June 14, 2003 at 12:19:51: Previous NextIn Reply to: Re: what about jesus? posted by JerryS on June 14, 2003 at 08:44:46:
Jesus accepts the inner man, not the outward appearance, so I don't believe we have anything to worry about when it comes to how we look. We need to keep how we look in the inner soul, such as our attitudes and personalities, in check more than the way we look. Anything more than that is futal arguments. (and no, guys, we can't run around naked in public either! LOL!)
Re: A Few Anti-Hair Sites...
Posted by mjtoo on June 14, 2003 at 00:35:23: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
well i AM a religious (although i hate the use of that word....i prefer to say that i am a Christian) who graduated from a BAPTIST seminary with two master's degrees....and i have NO issues with long hair...never have, never will.
you can use the Bible to justify or condemn just about anything...the important thing is to look at it in the context it was written, and apply it in light of today.
while articles like this get me really angry, i just have to ignore them and realize that sadly, the Bible was used at one time to even justify slavery...so if you want to grow your hair, do so, and enjoy it!
mjtoo
: I'm totally for long hair in men if they want it, but I found some sites that try to use the Bible as justification for men keeping it short. I thought I'd show you all what our competiton is, and perhaps it can promote a discussion on the issue. Now I know people already have counter arguments on the Corinthians chapters in the Bible, but I haven't seen another thread like this (I did check; if I missed it somewhere, I apologize), so let's start a thread on this issue. I'm not trying to incite the wrath of the entire forum on these websites, but rather, see constructive arguments against them, all fitted nicely into one thread.
: The first link is for the site of an overzealous pastor who responds to a man's email. While I'm not too sure about the man's claim that God *told* him his long hair was okay, just look at the pastor's reponse. He also makes a nasty comment about homosexuals: http://www.llano.net/baptist/longhaironmen.htm
: The next link is of a man quoting Corinthians and using it as the basis for the entire article. He is trying to say how Satanic, feminine, and rebellious it is for men to have long hair. I am a Christian and his article offends me, so if there are other Christians here, read at your own risk:
: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/7895/longhar.html
:
: Off-topic: BTW, thank you guys. Everytime I get the whim to cut my hair (sometimes it overwhelms my desire to grow it), I only have to come here; all my doubts are erased, and my resolve is strengthened once more.
Re: A Few Anti-Hair Sites...
Posted by daluthiel on June 16, 2003 at 10:34:58: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
I too am a person of faith and a Christian. However, it seems that whenever religion gets mixed up with hair styles, you get a free-for-all. Maybe its because hair is one way of expression, and some see a different message in it than the wearer intends. At any rate, when St. Paul was talking about long hair, he was arguing from social convention of the time (1 Cor 11:16), and social convention of that time has little to do with the long hair controversy today. For Paul, short hair was certainly not the military or buzz cuts that make a statement today, all men then probably wore their hair a bit longer than conservatives would accept today. I think he was arguing against excessive vanity in regard to hair, which religious traditions are consistently uncomfortable with.
Re: A Few Anti-Hair Sites...
Posted by daluthiel on June 16, 2003 at 10:47:10: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
I don't think Paul was addressing the same question as today. At any rate, he himself indicated that he was talking only about conventions of style at that time (1 Corinthians 11,16). By "short hair" he certainly did not mean the military or buzz cuts some men get today, the average male haircut was longer than today, but Paul was probably talking of "adorned" hair - religion is generally uncomfortable with excessive vanity. The attack on long hair by Bible literalists is today's political agenda, not scripture.
Re: A Few Anti-Hair Sites...
Posted by vincent on June 20, 2003 at 09:22:51: Previous Next
In Reply to: A Few Anti-Hair Sites... posted by SS on June 13, 2003 at 12:41:09:
I think people who have no better explanation than quoting the bible seriously need a clue. they're just affraid of difference and can't find any other way to tell people to stick with short hair like everybody.
isn't their god supposed to be wonderful and forgetful and to love people? why on earth should he care about their hair length?!
i think these people can be safely ignored until they can come up with a valid point.